AutoShow + Dash | March Update

Episode Description

Rion Gull and Anthony Campolo discuss the AutoShow AI content platform's Dash integration proposal, covering payment flows, credits, and platform strategy.

Episode Summary

In this episode of Incubator Weekly, Rion Gull and Anthony Campolo walk through the details of the AutoShow integration proposal now live on Dash Central. AutoShow is an AI-powered content creation tool that transforms audio and video into summaries, chapter titles, social media posts, songs, and educational materials using transcription and large language model services. The proposal, spanning six months at eighty Dash, aims to make Dash the default cryptocurrency payment option within AutoShow's credit system, where users purchase credits to generate content. The conversation explores the technical considerations of implementing Dash payments—including real-time transaction detection, QR code flows, and avoiding the cumbersome forms typical of traditional payment integrations—as well as the strategic value of offering steep discounts to Dash users as a user acquisition tool. Rion frames the broader opportunity around Dash Platform, arguing that a long-term partner like AutoShow can help refine developer experience for storage, payments, and authentication while producing real-world adoption metrics. They also discuss keeping the backend open source while closing the frontend, experimenting with storing data on Dash Platform, and generating community reports on transaction data and user feedback throughout the six-month engagement.

Chapters

00:00:00 - Introduction and Proposal Background

Rion Gull opens the episode by welcoming Anthony Campolo back to discuss the AutoShow and Dash integration, noting that the previous appearance covered the pre-proposal phase. He shares his screen to walk through the proposal's history, starting from the January pre-proposal on the Dash forum through to the now-live proposal on Dash Central. The proposal was submitted a month early, a practice Rion advocates for giving voters adequate time to evaluate before the first payout cycle.

The discussion covers the mechanics of submitting proposals through the proposal app built by AJ, explaining how creators can set start cycles, payment amounts, and durations. Rion highlights the benefit of linking the forum pre-proposal as the proposal URL, giving voters two discussion venues. He notes that the proposal is set for six months at eighty Dash and that the first payment deadline is sixteen days away, setting the stage for a detailed walkthrough of the proposal text.

00:06:48 - AutoShow Overview and Open Source Strategy

Anthony provides a high-level overview of AutoShow as an AI content creation application that uses transcription and large language model services to transform audio and video into various outputs—summaries, chapter titles, social media posts, songs, and educational materials. He explains the business model around a credit system where users purchase credits and spend them based on the length and complexity of their content generation requests, with different LLM and transcription services carrying different costs.

The conversation turns to the open source versus closed source distinction. Anthony explains that the backend will remain open source, allowing developers to self-host, while the official consumer-facing frontend application will be closed source. This approach preserves transparency and community contribution on the technical side while maintaining a proprietary product that justifies paid usage. Rion reviews the GitHub repository and its documentation, including the expanding list of prompt types organized into categories like summaries, social media, songs, and educational content.

00:14:12 - Technical Architecture and Dash Platform Experimentation

Anthony walks through the technical stack, including Prisma for database management with PostgreSQL, which stores show note metadata, prompts, transcripts, and LLM outputs. He describes the transcription options—local Whisper for free processing, or Assembly and Deepgram for API-based transcription with features like speaker labels—and the supported LLMs including ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, DeepSeek, and open source models through Fireworks and Together.

A key discussion point emerges around experimenting with Dash Platform for storing user data and documents. Anthony has begun exploring saving show notes as documents through data contracts, though he notes challenges around privacy since user transcripts shouldn't be public by default. Rion discusses potential solutions like client-side encryption and frames two value propositions for Dash Platform: user-driven demand for data sovereignty and developer-driven demand for simpler infrastructure, summarizing the platform's appeal as "storage, payments, and authentication for single page applications."

00:25:40 - Dash Integration Goals and Discount Strategy

The conversation shifts to the proposal's specific objectives: prominent Dash branding, discount rates for Dash payments, default crypto payment positioning, and community reporting. Rion emphasizes that the proposal isn't just a technical integration but also a marketing vehicle, exposing developers in Anthony's network to a cryptocurrency project offering tangible utility rather than speculation. They discuss the mechanics of pricing, with Anthony estimating roughly ten dollars for a thousand credits and approximately one dollar per show note.

Rion raises the strategic question of how steep a discount is needed to motivate non-crypto users to go through the friction of setting up a wallet and purchasing Dash. He suggests experimenting with various discount levels—from ten percent to fifty percent or even ninety-nine percent—to generate data on user acquisition costs. The discussion weighs whether proposal funds should subsidize loss-leader discounts, with Anthony noting his plan was to keep discounts within his existing margins. Rion argues that even small transaction amounts are valuable if they get users through the payment flow and generate insights about crypto adoption barriers.

00:40:18 - Timeline, User Experience, and Community Feedback

The pair reviews the six-month timeline: months one and two focus on building and launching the Dash payment flow with real-time transaction detection and QR code payments, months three and four shift to tutorials and Dash-themed incentives including promo codes for the Dash community, and months five and six center on reporting adoption metrics and compiling a final experience report. Rion stresses the importance of a frictionless payment experience, contrasting it with legacy crypto checkout flows that unnecessarily replicate credit card form requirements.

They review community feedback on Dash Central, where commenters express enthusiasm and one community member requests long-term support—which Anthony has committed to indefinitely. Rion briefly explains the Dash Investment Foundation for anyone interested in larger-scale equity-based funding. The episode closes with a lighthearted mention of community members creating Dash rap songs using AI tools, illustrating the creative potential of AutoShow's infrastructure, and Anthony invites viewers to reach out on Discord with questions or feedback about the proposal.

Transcript

[00:00:02.14] - Rion Gull welcome everybody to today's episode of incubator weekly welcome anthony how's it going going good how are you good good good so we have you on again to talk about the dash AutoShow integration we had you on last time i think about a month ago and at that time we were oh hang on just a second making sure we're live yeah i think we are yeah we had you on at the pre proposal phase so you were you were discussing you had a pre proposal i'm going to go ahead and present my screen and share your pre proposal text it's a little small so let me bump up the font here how's that is that better yeah so this was january twenty ninth you gave a little bit of an introduction to your proposal we won't go through the text here because there's an updated one that we'll go through kind of line by line they're they're very similar you had some feedback both here and and in discord i i know that at least one one person sam mentioned something about wanting to have dash payments supported for longer term and i think that you you made a a text update about that in your proposal itself so since this you have submitted your proposal i always like to kind of like put this on screen just for posterity sake the proposal is live this is what the the the standings are in the leaderboard right now we had you put in a proposal a month early so the proposal was submitted what like yeah a little over a month ago and yeah see

[00:02:04.09] - Anthony Campolo it over there yeah the way that

[00:02:06.01] - Rion Gull that's shown on on this is that there's this little you know new new chick kind of icon so that would be dash money is doing the same thing i would like people to to kind of get in this habit i think it's a good thing for the dash dao in general to have proposals start as you know not paying out giving the giving voters over a month before the proposal is slated to start paying out i think that's a good

[00:02:38.27] - Anthony Campolo approach

[00:02:40.28] - Rion Gull so i'm just kind of making that known that i think that that's a good habit for people to get into in general and so this month it's active so in sixteen days that will be the first deadline for for the actual payout and i also wanted to mention real quick here that i thought that this was a good approach to put the fund forum post for the pre proposal as the url link so that way you have two places for people to discuss the proposals some people don't necessarily like some people prefer the forum dash dot org forum over dash central but in either case it's a good way to start a proposal as a pre proposal on the forum and then when you put this link as the proposal url then they have the two places so i don't know there are pros and cons but i

[00:03:39.25] - Anthony Campolo just thought there wasn't a dash central link at all when i first was creating it because i was creating it through that proposal app that aj built

[00:03:48.05] - Rion Gull yep and i wanted to make mention of that as well so thanks for mentioning that so if anybody again one of my purposes in dash and in the incubator right now is to help people make their own proposals so this is the app that you're talking about that you submitted your proposal through and it makes it really easy for you to do what we just discussed where you say i want this proposal to start either right now in the next proposal cycle that would be putting a one here and then the number of payments let's say three and then the the payout amount let's say five dash but if you wanted to push it out a month so that the payment starts a month from in the next payment cycle you just bump that up to two and then now you are submitting a proposal that starts on four hundred twenty instead of three hundred twenty one that's how this app works so your particular proposal was six months and i think eighty dash yep so that's how this would be and what you're saying is the proposal name there is there's actually never really a dash central link until the proposal is submitted however

[00:05:15.09] - Anthony Campolo people update them afterwards i guess you

[00:05:17.23] - Rion Gull can just guess it so it's based based on yeah the way that dash central does their proposals is they always have this slash p slash some unique name so that's what you would do if you did want to just put your proposal as a dash central proposal and only do that so that's how you would do it and that's how other proposal tools would do it as well and then you have your payment address and whatnot and then you you can just pay the application and then the application forwards it on and makes your proposal so for anybody that's watching that wants to submit their own proposals this is a really easy way to do that all right getting back to your actual proposal here we are at dashcentral and as you can see there is the link central dot org p autoshow integration proposal but the like i said the benefit of having that forum link is that now you have it it'll show up here as well so anyway let's go through anthony why don't you give us a an overview of your proposal and then i suggest that we go through your proposal text line by line because i personally think this is an important proposal and i will discuss why as we go through the text but why don't you give us

[00:06:48.18] - Anthony Campolo an overview yeah so AutoShow is an app that i'm building and it's content creation app that uses transcription and large language model services to basically take audio and video content and turn it into other things whether it's things like summaries or or chapter titles or things like songs even social media posts create images now something i couldn't do last time i was here and yeah so it's for content creators or even like teachers it can be used to generate kind of like learning material or check for comprehension material around different lesson material and the plan is to right now it's an open source library so anyone can use it if they want and look at all the code but the plan is to make it an app that will be just like kind of a easy drag and drop click choose your thing that anyone who's a non technical user could use so that they could generate their own content and dash would be if this proposal goes through one of the payment options so it will be kind of the default crypto payment option if people want to go that route and then there's the potential to leverage dash platform for the credit system and i don't know if you want to get into that too much now but just a high level on that is it would be a way to track when people are using the app they are going to buy credits and use the credits to generate show notes because depending on what llms or transcription services they use it'll cost different amounts so the different credits will be used so people can do that and that could be tracked on like dash platform where when people buy credits then we save their credit amounts and then when they create shonos that we deduct those credit amounts and there be this kind of you know distributed ledger keeping track of all of that yeah you

[00:08:55.02] - Rion Gull want to get into a little bit more detail on that later but yeah that's that's a good overview there are some devils in that in the details there and yeah i'll talk about that later as we go through the proposal text but yeah that's a that's a very good overview as a as another little preamble to your proposal that i'd like to add it is a six month proposal and i i kind of helped i recommended somewhat of a longer term proposal for a reason and you know obviously you agreed with that or otherwise you wouldn't have made the proposal but with dash platform being live now but not having any production use cases for it yet i personally think that we need a partner that we can work with and that's kind of sympathetic to our cause and that we're sympathetic to your cause and we work together to make sure that we have a good system that we can rely on for people who aren't quite as sympathetic to our causes so like for example if somebody that just doesn't really like cryptocurrency but wants to do something in a in an easy way you know people reach for saas all the time software as a service right and they do that not because they like amazon or they like google they reach for these like that it's easy they're easy they're they're they're just easier to work with and they they solve a problem that you have and you might even hate these companies right but you still use them because they're they solve a problem for you and that's the same thing with dash platform i would like it to get to the point where it is just an easier way to do things in the web application development scene but is easier to do than even some of the things that dump millions of vc money into like a google cloud platform or aws or azure or something like that i think we have a long way to go before we can compete on that level but that is the hope that people can just follow a few recipes insert some very small ten lines of code and be up and running with storage payments authentication user management even so like we'll talk about the user management that you have planned but yeah those are the three main things i like to think of it as spa for spas storage payments and authentication for single page applications that's the two spas because any kind of application typically needs those things at least the the ones that we're targeting right we're not targeting blog posting particularly although you could do that on dash platform but things that need more than more than just content things that need storage persistent global globally accessible storage that's what dash platform is made for things that need payments e commerce which is what your project is it's a digital product so it's an e commerce product and everything that does need those things typically needs authentication because you're not going to be able to access any kind of user data without knowing who the user is and knowing what those users are allowed to do in your application so storage payments and authentication we need somebody like you on a long term basis six months in this case to be able to help us refine our tools and libraries and documentation and just overall developer experience to be able to use dash platform so that in the future we can target the audience that might not really even care about cryptocurrency might begrudgingly use it but they think yeah this is very simple way to do storage payments and authentication so that's my preamble again now let's go through the actual body of your proposal here and we'll talk more about the details as we come to them AutoShow you gave the description so we won't go over that again but i did want to just show briefly the source code that is linked from this link right here here you are on github like you said it's an open source project but parts of it will be closed source do you want to tell us about what's open source and what's closed source what's public what's private yeah

[00:14:12.20] - Anthony Campolo basically the back end will be open source and the repo right now it does have a front end it's a very simple little astro app and that'll probably stay there if people do want to spin up a quick front end for themselves if they're running this locally but the app that'll actually be like the official AutoShow app that people will be using for payments and all that that'll be closed source and that's going to be just kind of what's interfacing with the deployed version of the open source repo basically so someone could if they wanted to kind of host their own version of the back end but they wouldn't be able to just like wholesale clone the front end so i think that's kind of a good compromise in keeping the project mostly open source while still trying to have like some sort of you know secret sauce or differentiator that allows the app to be you know something that people want to actually pay money to use okay

[00:15:17.05] - Rion Gull and so when you're saying this this site that i'm at right here for example the the web src pages this is a front end application but this isn't the app you you would basically create a bigger better version of this simple front end and have that closed source and that's the paid product essentially

[00:15:41.19] - Anthony Campolo is that right or yep exactly yeah

[00:15:44.05] - Rion Gull okay okay do you have is this is this sample front end web user interface hosted somewhere right now that we can see or not it is not

[00:15:59.26] - Anthony Campolo we looked at it last time like we ran through the example using using this so okay yeah it's not it's not hosted right now um actually now there i'm at the point now where actually i could start hosting it because the main thing was the if you just like have it up then people like you can just hit it but i set it up so the the like the like openai's api keys and stuff are not like actually in my backend so you you need to send a request with an openai key so i actually probably should actually just deploy it now because that's pretty much someone could technically use it if they want to they would just have to bring their own llm keys yeah okay

[00:16:50.18] - Rion Gull let's at least get on the screen your extensive documentation here do you want to talk about anything here that is in

[00:17:01.06] - Anthony Campolo yeah i added a new section here where it lists all the different stuff that you can create with the prompts so there's a lot more prompts now than when i first started doing this it's probably even a couple since last time we met but get on here myself it's kind of in four categories so have summaries and chapter you scroll back up to the the prompts real quick a little further yeah where it lists all those right there yeah so summaries and chapters so summaries like your whole transcript chapter descriptions you get like a bullet point summary instead of like a prose summary and then chapter titles with timestamps which could be useful for youtube videos it automatically creates like the links to the chapters and then social media posts so if you want to like blast something out to your ex your facebook and your linkedin you can get something different for each of those that's kind of tailored to their different kind of you know people tend to create content differently on different apps and then things like songs so rap song rock song country song and then educational and informative content so key takeaways comprehension questions faqs curated quotes and blog outlines

[00:18:20.26] - Rion Gull yeah this section seems like it has a lot of potential so you you're you're an entrepreneur you're you're basically you've got a product people have told you you were basically building this as kind of like a passion thing you're really into ai and then as you as you as you were talking to people they were like hey i paid i'd pay for this you know and so that's why you're making it into a product who knows how successful it is going to be but but this does seem like it has some legs like if you can if you can tap into some kind of educational content that that people are willing to pay for that does seem like it would be an interesting thing beyond just youtube chapter titles and things like that but yeah so there's other key features people can set this up on their own sets this is this is your cli i'm just i mean this is AutoShows as there's lots of different ways that people can use this already right now as an open source cli tool then we talk about the project structure you're using prisma do you want to talk

[00:19:38.07] - Anthony Campolo about that a little bit yeah that's to interface with the postgres database when people create a show note there is front matter metadata that's created based on like if you use a youtube link it can automatically grab things like the title and the date and like if you have a cover image for it grabs all of that and then it will save the prompt you used to generate the show notes because if you pick you can pick different prompts and mix and match them and it will save the transcript and then it will save the actual llm output you get and so all that stuff is saved in the database and prisma is for migrations and easy database client work as

[00:20:27.21] - Rion Gull a user i can not only use the tool but i can get back to the history of the outputs and stuff that's going to be stored on your service and persisted so that users can have that as they can keep

[00:20:43.25] - Anthony Campolo a history of those prompts how every time you have a conversation with chatgpt it creates a thing on your sidebar on the left with running total of all your conversations

[00:20:58.03] - Rion Gull we got some more process commands and process steps feel free to just talk about any of this if you'd like we'll get to the body of your proposal because i'm sure that the dash people probably want to know a little bit more about what what they're getting for the for the proposal funds itself we'll we'll get there

[00:21:19.17] - Anthony Campolo but i just yeah yeah we just hit on real quick the different services so for transcription if you want to do this locally you can use whisper and then transcription is free for the app it'll be assembly and deepgram will be the two you can choose from they are just transcription services that offer an api and things like speaker labels and some of the higher level things that you wouldn't get from whisper and then for the llms if you want to run it locally you can use olama for any local model and then the third party integrations there's chatgpt claude gemini deepseek which is the new hotness and then fireworks and together which host various open source models like llama okay

[00:22:10.16] - Rion Gull anything to say about the utility files

[00:22:14.01] - Anthony Campolo there's one for dash now i want to see what it would be like to just try and integrate the whole thing with platform i just have it now save your show notes and data document or a document with a data

[00:22:31.01] - Rion Gull contract oh very cool okay so not only we had talked before and we'll we'll talk more about this later but not only will you be experimenting with putting people's account credits on dash platform but also the documents and the output of the llms themselves right yeah i

[00:22:50.02] - Anthony Campolo was kind of just curious to see if i could like what it would be like to do it the only issue with that really is that if people are uploading their own files from their own computer they could be uploading anything and i don't know if you wouldn't you wouldn't want their transcripts to be public by default so yeah there there may be other things that would be worthwhile to have it save onto platform if you want to like you could have it saved in some sort of you know ipf system that has some sort of like git authentic there's there's ways to do this in like a decentralized way that also keeps things private but i don't think you could just do that with dash platform itself

[00:23:30.14] - Rion Gull right yeah i think you'd have to encrypt it before you put it on dash platform and then have them decrypt it client side to be able to view their material something like that would be possible but there as you were talking about that i was thinking there are kind of two angles to this the value proposition for dash platform on the one hand users might demand something like this if they really needed to have the assurances that their data is accessible even without the application for example or needing permission from the application developer that might be something that's a user driven demand for specific kinds of applications but i think the bigger value proposition that i see is trying to make things easier for developers user driven value proposition versus developer driven value proposition you're going to go through the whole process of setting up your databases and you know have a back end service and everything but like i said it would be if dash platform were proven to be more like stable and performant and easy to use and we were all you know we had gotten all the way through all that already it would be potentially easier to do a lot of this stuff without having to for the developer themselves not necessarily for the user but for the developer to have these kinds of services at their hand at their fingertips for storage payments and authentication so just wanted to mention that one more time but you're going to you're experimenting this with this in a like you're doing both essentially like you're not going to rely on this but as part of the proposal you do want to help us to have the developer experience get fine tuned a little bit more anything else to say about any of this stuff there's a lot here

[00:25:40.13] - Anthony Campolo yeah that's the astro front end but yeah that's probably enough on that

[00:25:44.23] - Rion Gull okay now let's go back to the proposal and we talked about the summary why vote yes supporting this proposal integrates dash into an expanding ai platform for creators and businesses increasing its visibility offers user incentives and valuable monthly feedback and drives long term growth through an ongoing development and marketing so yeah i have something else to say about this as well like one of the this is not just people in dash would not just be paying for us to be on another service and have a technical integration it's also about marketing to developers the developers that you know and that you will be presenting and and yeah presenting your product to like you there are a lot of developers that will be looking into what you're building and it will be marketing to them to see that hey here's a cryptocurrency that i might hate i may hate cryptocurrency but look look at these look at what they're doing they're they're actually providing a service and they're actually doing something valuable not just some it's not it's not just gambling and meme coins and stuff like that here's actual tangible valuable thing that they're building and you'll be able to show that to lots of different developers as you're as you're building this so i think that's very interesting value proposition here okay so how it works we went over that a little bit as well the dash integration goals so the key objectives actionable feedback for the dash community provide insights on crypto payment flows user experience and ways to improve dash development tools yeah so that that's something that i find valuable and like i said in my preamble i i think that that's something that we need for a long term the sooner that we can get the sooner that we can get an actual in production use case for dash platform and be able to say hey dash platform has been serving this customer for six months or three months the sooner we can get that the better we'll be able to market our product with but yeah we need we need to pay for that before we can expect anybody to to be doing this on their own dime and for free and because it's just a good tool for them to use accepting dash as a payment

[00:28:27.01] - Anthony Campolo yeah

[00:28:27.07] - Rion Gull that's obviously an important part of this lets users buy AutoShow credits with dash at a discounted rate i have some things to say about this but why don't you talk about this for a little bit and then i'll add

[00:28:40.17] - Anthony Campolo to that yeah this is one of the things that could both incentivize users to pay with dash even if they have never used dash before but they may want to save a little bit especially if they're going to be generating a lot of show notes and it would be kind of then thing for dash to be more inclined to want to fund the project because they'll hopefully be getting some people actually paying with it and yeah and also if you know using dash you don't get things like credit card fees so you can actually make it where the it's more you know better margins allowing for the

[00:29:22.00] - Rion Gull discount yeah and beyond that it's user acquisition right so there are a lot of people that have not even touched dash don't know anything about it but if they saw your service and let's just make up some numbers real quick or maybe you can give me you can give me some prices to deal with so how how much do you think you'll be charging or do you have any idea of that yet

[00:29:55.12] - Anthony Campolo yeah so i think what was it that i was thinking so it would be like ten dollars for one hundred credits and then generating a show note depending on the length and what you're using would be you know anywhere from like fifty to you know one hundred credits so people would be spending probably like you know so i'd be like ten dollars to get the thousand credits and then like a dollar or so per like show note maybe a little less they're shorter or a little more if they're longer because the the transcription cost is one of the biggest drivers of how many credits it'll be okay yeah

[00:30:37.05] - Rion Gull and i don't want you to have to narrow down your prices at this point but let's just say for a video that's about an hour long and they want chapter titles and all the bells and whistles to to share that on their platforms or whatever summaries let's just say that it's a dollar or something or fifty cents if they could then get that same thing instead of getting a thousand credits for for ten dollars if they could get that same thousand credits for fifty five dollars you know a steep fifty percent discount i kind of wonder just from a business and marketing and user acquisition standpoint that's not technical at all but from a business standpoint like how many users could we acquire by giving a fifty percent discount how many users could we acquire by giving a ten percent discount how many users could we get by even a deeper discount like i'm just kind of curious about that because if we can if it's a if it's a a discount a fifty discount that brings their their price down from ten dollars to to five dollars and that that's what makes them decide to go through the whole process of like okay looking into cryptocurrency and downloading a wallet buying some crypto buying some dash on coinbase like i don't necessarily expect them to do that for a five dollar discount but there is probably some number that they would do it for and depending on how much they used your service i don't know what that is but when you look at other companies that try to acquire basically pay to acquire users they're spending a lot more than that so i i would be interested to see what kind of users you can acquire for a steep discount like that and i don't know if that's like part of the funds would part of the funds go to pay for that discount is that what you're is that what you're suggesting here or proposing here is that part of the part of the proposal funds would be to kind of help subsidize that kind that what's the what's the term for that the the loss leader of giving people discounts beyond the cost of your service

[00:33:08.09] - Anthony Campolo i mean it would probably depend on how obviously we're saying how big of a discount to give i wasn't planning on it the plan was just to use that money as you know funds for myself as payment and then i would have the the discount be something that wouldn't necessarily mean that it's causing that such that it requires me to actually take a loss on it because you know i've you know got margins worked out so there may you know i won't necessarily need to

[00:33:46.15] - Rion Gull yep yeah yeah yeah and these are these are all things that that we're we'll be discussing and and kind of like fine tuning i think through the through the process but that was just one idea that i had promoting promoting dash on the AutoShow front page there again strictly marketing essentially which is valuable dash is the default crypto discount credits for dash focused content so there you would be actually giving for the dash community at least you'd be giving steeper discounts and i think that that would be that would be interesting because people want you know you could give it to the dash community for free obviously because they're they're giving you a they're paying part of your development costs and you could just throw that in but i think it would be even more interesting if people still had to go through that that payment flow just to get the the experience whether you know it's a ninety discount for like say for example dash incubator or dash dash core group like that's not going to be any that's not going to be any very very big amount to pay but it's getting that experience of going through the process of paying that would be valuable for us support for dash payments will continue indefinitely beyond the six months

[00:35:19.05] - Anthony Campolo funding phase yeah that was something someone mentioned in the comments they're saying people have you know drop support as soon as their their thing like you know ends but you know i definitely continue to support it i see no reason why i would take it out at any point even if you know no one's really even if no one is abusing it then it's like it won't be that much of a there's really no maintenance burden for it being there because the hopefully the blockchain does not

[00:35:45.04] - Rion Gull change well there would be some small amount because depending on how we structure this technically i don't know if you're going to be running your own full node i don't know if you're going to be using a third party service or an open source service that's using rpc dot digitalcache dot de v for example and you're just doing api calls and that service is already subsidized by the dao elsewhere with with one of aj's proposals like we haven't worked out these details but there is there is a scenario where you know if you were running a node for example that would be a cost and if you weren't getting any paying customers then that would be a little bit of a loss so i think that that is

[00:36:31.05] - Anthony Campolo what would be the benefit of running a node versus just querying the blockchain

[00:36:37.09] - Rion Gull yeah exactly querying the blockchain using like what would you use for example to

[00:36:44.26] - Anthony Campolo query the blockchain right now it's just the js sdk running on a node

[00:36:50.21] - Rion Gull server yeah and and so there there are some things to work out like which is the best what what's the best way to do that so the js sdk is going to give you certain things but it's not going to give you other things like it will give you the it will give you the account balances for an address or whatever that you that you put in there and that's that's fine but it wouldn't for example give you it wouldn't necessarily give you what's the term that i'm looking for the payload that is sent from a service i'm blanking on the name right now but like when a payment is made like when a user when a user makes a payment and then a service sends you notification that that payment has been done like you can you can do that in a very difficult way or you can do that in a very simple way and the payment gateways of the world that are like rpc services they will help you along with that but i don't know what we have in terms of that so like doing notifications that a payment has come through like anyway i think if i remember the name i'll be able to explain that a little bit further but so let's go through the what this proposal funds dash placement and promotion we've gone over that a little bit already prominent dash branding on AutoShows homepage and documentation discount rates for those paying with dash default crypto payments option set to dash and credit so that that's a little bit of a review there dash integration and development building and maintaining a pay with dash flow with an emphasis on instance end implementing real time transaction detection and automatic credit allocation that's that's what i was talking about just just then like you can probably implement that with the sdk but it might be a lot of work and this would pay for that lot of work or potentially we could have we could find a service to do that for little lesser work continuous upkeep and troubleshooting for the dash module over the past over the six months create a crested credit system on dash platform we did talk about that a little bit community reporting regular process progress reports on user feedback transaction data adoption metrics talk to me a little bit about that that's that seems interesting to me

[00:39:51.00] - Anthony Campolo yeah so that would be just essentially what is the usage and are people having issues with you know using dash with the platform and then you know kind of how how many transactions are coming in what amount of users are using dash versus other things so and then maybe like if we end up tweaking the discount at some point how much of a difference that

[00:40:18.27] - Rion Gull would make mm okay yeah cool collaboration with dash growth the incubator dash core group for best practices makes sense sharing code snippets and developer documentation to help future integrations yeah exactly perfect okay let's look at the timeline so right now it's the beginning of march so dash payment flow implementation that's what you'd work on first develop and launch the the pay with dash feature for credit purchases integrate a dash discount mechanism to ensure smooth user experience yeah this this smooth user experience is something that i've very rarely come across in crypto what you usually find is that you'll have you'll have like everything that's needed for a credit card payment and then like so you like people will have to enter like your your name and your billing address and all that stuff just to get to the point where you don't really even need that but the way that the way that websites are usually set up is they're set up for that credit card payment flow and so you kind of have to go through that even if you're going to not need that information to do a crypto payment and that's how like things like i i've run into that a lot with in the earlier days with like bitpay where i see a website that's that accepts crypto but you still have to go through that nightmare of like filling out this huge form about who you are and that's that's the kind of thing that i want us to dial in and just say like hey you want to purchase these credits bam here's a qr code payment send this amount and you'll you'll get these credits and and they'll automatically show up and you don't have to fill out anything

[00:42:21.20] - Anthony Campolo so yeah totally that's that's how the proposal app works you know you had the qr code on there once you're ready to send your proposal you just yep get the the qr code and pay it straight through that so yeah probably do it exactly like that yep

[00:42:35.20] - Rion Gull cool let's see where were we months three to four dash themed incentives and tutorials this is what you're you're famous for is making really good tutorials and sharing those throughout your developer community so i'm very excited to see that that would be that would be really cool yeah when do you want to talk about some of these other things yeah

[00:43:04.14] - Anthony Campolo i mean for people who are actually in the dash ecosystem you know it says discounts here but probably what i'd also do is i can just create like you know a promo code so people could could use that and you know share that like the dash discord so if someone to get like you know a couple hundred free credits just like try the platform out that could be a good thing as well so

[00:43:30.08] - Rion Gull yeah and that's what i was thinking with the instead of instead of totally free just like a very steep discount even ninety nine because i still want people to go through that payment flow just so they can get that experience and that's something we all need like if we really think that crypto is going to be something that people use on a on a real you know in in a real daily basis kind of way we need to get them we need to get that user experience dialed in like what's the best way to pay is it is it expecting users to have a web wallet or a wallet extension an extension wallet browser extension wallet or do we is it better for that to present a qr code for them to pay from their mobile device or is it better to you know have some kind of url that they click and it opens up your desktop wallet like there are different ways that you can pay with crypto and you know maybe maybe it's supporting all of those or two out of the three of those or or whatever but it's getting that getting that

[00:44:46.13] - Anthony Campolo that

[00:44:46.17] - Rion Gull user experience dialed in and then that's why i think instead of just offering free credits it would be better to have a ninety nine discount on credits so that we take them through that process even the dash community and you know it's not going to be the main the main hurdle there won't be the cost of the service it'll be the user experience of the service and so having them go through that will help us develop a better user experience roll out user friendly documentation and video tutorials on dash using dash and AutoShow that'd be cool then like we said earlier stats usage trends key insights like hey we ran this for two months with a ten percent discount or a five percent discount that just covered that just covered the the savings that you'd get from the credit card fees instead and that that bumped up our dash user base from you know three users to six users i don't know but then but then we implemented a fifty discount and subsidized that and all of a sudden we got ten users over the next month that paid with dash and you know that's that's an insight that that would help us to know like how much did we have to pay for to acquire a new a completely new dash user that's the kind of thing that i hope that this will result in as well so it's it's much more than just technical integration work it's it's also business insights and marketing insights like how much do we have to pay people to to get over their fear or hatred of of cryptocurrency just so that they can have a discount or a better user

[00:46:49.19] - Anthony Campolo experience it's a ninety nine discount probably

[00:46:51.27] - Rion Gull a lot yeah yeah yeah exactly but a ninety nine discount on a ten dollar service that's still a very low user acquisition fee so that would be

[00:47:03.19] - Anthony Campolo worth it the amount of money people will be paying will be dependent on how much they want to use it so if someone wanted to you know run their whole youtube channel they have hundreds of videos so that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars yeah and

[00:47:18.07] - Rion Gull i and i don't like i i don't have any kind of grandiose visions it's no no no no offense to you obviously but entrepreneurship is hard and startups are hard so i don't really expect explosive growth here but i do want to have i do want to use this project as as a way to determine like what kind of user experience and developer experience and price points and discounts do we need to attract people and yeah like i said like i i hope that this is this is a great thing that actually makes you some money but there's a chance that it's not but even if it's not we would have learned some things that we would not have learned otherwise through this whole process and this proposal that's what i'm excited about here let's see continue coordinating with the dash ecosystem teams to share insights code recommendations improvements and then a final report that sums up the whole experience after six months blockers things like that yeah you'll have you'll have personal support for any of this yeah i think i think we covered it there's you've got some good feedback so far on here yeah some

[00:48:48.26] - Anthony Campolo people seem excited about it and name

[00:48:52.04] - Rion Gull three absolutely yes it's exciting exactly the type of thing that we should be building fantastic use case we talked about how there is the cli but there's a ui in development here's the quantum explorers comment about let's have this available for five five years ten years you you made it indefinite dash support so that's great infinity infinity is better than five yep demo's got his comments he's he's everywhere yeah that was i was

[00:49:37.05] - Anthony Campolo like this is some deep dash lore that i don't understand so i'm not gonna worry about it yeah i mean

[00:49:43.14] - Rion Gull he has some really good comments sometimes and other times it's kind of like i don't know where he's coming from

[00:49:49.10] - Anthony Campolo but what is dif that's my only

[00:49:51.22] - Rion Gull question dif is the dash investment fund or dash investment foundation it's it's a place that you would go to if you wanted to do this at a bigger scale and exchange equity for funding so yeah i know like the ethereum

[00:50:11.18] - Anthony Campolo foundation and stuff so that makes sense

[00:50:14.02] - Rion Gull yep exactly let's see my surgic good quizzy yeah so all these questions are answered anything else to say what else did you want to talk about in terms of this proposal or just anything in the dash community that you are seeing right now what else did you

[00:50:39.29] - Anthony Campolo have to say well you would show this to me that someone in the community has been creating like dash rap songs yeah i thought that was pretty cool and that is something that you could definitely use AutoShow for like we we could turn every incubator weekly episode into various types of songs that would be a very easy thing to do so you can do it with

[00:51:01.12] - Rion Gull this one yeah or you could just take the you could take sometimes people will be away for five months or something and or a week even and there's a bunch of discord comments maybe there'd be a way to like import some data summarize summarize the key points yeah something like that i don't know

[00:51:25.11] - Anthony Campolo yeah no that's totally doable yeah there's

[00:51:27.16] - Rion Gull all sorts of options when you've got the infrastructure in place so i think yeah fifty minutes we've gone long enough so unless you have anything else let's let's close it out that's good yeah and we'll say thanks for everybody for taking a look at the proposal personally

[00:51:43.08] - Anthony Campolo it's important for me ajc web dev on the discord if you want to message me or if you have questions or if you want to comment on the proposal go for it okay thanks

[00:51:52.25] - Rion Gull anthony we'll talk later bye bye